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Ghost....the unions are tied to Obama's socialist agenda - from the past - look for the next two articles I have coming.

Here is the first....

http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/10/19/obamas-american-socialism-decades-in-the-making/

Thanks Diamond...I will.
The unions stopped doing what unions were actually supposed to do a long time ago...sadly. Now they are just clubs that beat dues out of their "members".
What kind of club have you ever HAD to join to be able to work?
Yeah...as unAmerican as it gets.....

Really? Obama has supporters that say crazy things. I don't think that is an argument that will lead to a Mccain Administration.

Watch these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJghQMq49dw

BEaR KELEY....I was especially interested in this because over the weekend I had an old friend tell me that what the US really needed was socialism.
I thought I hadn't heard her correctly, but she repeated it and it was amazingly clear that it was just a new set of talking points.She is the poster child for useful idiots everywhere...and hasn't had an original thought in years.
Sure people say nutty things at rallies all the time and you can't fault the candidates...unless of course the candidates are saying the same things.
And Barack is.....
Joe the Plumber ring a bell for you?
What Obama said that was so repugnant to every American came out of his mouth...not some random supporter.
It appears your guy is coming out of the socialist closet and he is having his "supporters" dip their toes in the water first.
Good luck with that.
And with Joe Biden's comments today...you must be a busy guy trying to put out all these fires.
I'll bet it's like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, huh?
Then there is that whole really embarrassing IRANIAN caviar moment....if only you guys could just rein in Michelle....my sympathies...really.
She is the candidate's wife from hell.....I don't envy you for one moment.
Let's just hope the American people won't have to suffer because of her big mouth....

BEaR KELEY....I watched the vid links you sent me.
Okay, you are kidding, right?
Mob? MOB?
Seriously if I were a fan of moral equivalency ...which I am not...I would be forced to ask you about the arrest of the Obama supporter in NY for grabbing a middle aged woman's McCain sign, breaking it and hitting her in the face with the stick.
Have you seen the arrest photos and the pictures of the real bruises this woman received for questioning your messiah?
That versus your "mob" where people very politely expressed their opinions that just happened to differ with "boy-interrupted" doing the interview.
By the way....that's not the way you interview people. Pass it along...

BEaR KELEY...you might be interested in this video.
Who knows, it might even change your mind about McCain supporters....you just never know....

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/20/video-mccain-supporters-confront-guy-linking-obama-to-islam/

BEaR KELEY...here's a link for you.

http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=2445

Wow Christmas Ghost...I must have hit a nerve.
Just kidding, I wish this page would let you adjust already posted comments so you can add on when you think of something else too ;)

Thank you for the vid of Mccain campaign standing up against hate speech and I honestly don't think Mccain is a bad guy in that regard. But I do think some of his campaign messages are stoking this hate in other people.

About my videos, they are not mine so I didn't name them. I don't think they are mobs either.(uhoh we are starting to agree on things) My point in sending them was to simply illustrate that both sides have their idiots that support them. Mccain certanly cannot claim any high ground in that regard. Union chanting is stupid and redneck hate is stupid.

Now the more serious claims that Obama somehow has said he wants to create a new socialist state. This Joe the Plumber is absolutely ridiculous. Have you watched the video? The only thing that the right wing has siezed on is fourwords out of 5:30 minutes of talking. FOUR WORDS!!!!
Those four words were : "economic fundamntals are strong"
I mean: "spread the wealth around"

Ok what does he mean? He is going to use the tax system to spread money around. Right?

Ok maybe the whole right wing needs a lesson about the tax system in this country, THAT IS WHAT TAXES ARE FOR!!!! You bring in income and spread it around for the public good (If you want tosay that is the lefts fault look into Bushs Medication Drug Coverage or many others from the right).

Regardless, if Obama thinks that the poor is getting shafted for the last decade while the rich have gotten richer (Statistically Factual) and he wants to correct that imbalance most would applaud. The right knows this. So instead of discussing it like adults they scream SOCIALISM SOCIALISM!!!!

Hurry get the pitch forks, wake McCarthy, we have fear to spread.

I have read your stuff for a long time Christmas Ghost, you are better than a right wing blog echo chamber.

I swear I have not seen a pro-mccain thing on here in months. It is all Obama hate. Or are you a Barr supporter now?

Oh and did you really try to say that we are worried about what Biden said? Palin...Gibson...Couric? I know you are going to say Leftist Media Bias. But that line does not work with her failure to make sentances and I can see Russia claims

Hit a nerve? Nah.....
I like open and honest discussion versus talking points.
Where to begin....hmmm.
Okay....hate speech.
it doesn't exist anymore than hate crimes do.
there is stupid, ignorant and unenlightened speech though...no shortage of that.but then as a person that is so concerned about the rhetoric in the republican camp, surely you must also be very, very concerned about the vile and vicious rhetoric coming out of websites like daily kos and DU, right? otherwise you would be a hypocrite.
hate crimes? by definition all violent crimes are hate crimes...you don't commit a crime against someone because you love them.
there will always be bigots and ignorant people because well, people tend to be people.and you cannot legislate morality.
this line really stood out for me:
"But I do think some of his campaign messages are stoking this hate in other people."
so you must be all for stopping the production of violent music, movies and video games right?
because if someone saying something at a political rally might prove to be dangerous, then surely the same goes for the movies music and games too.
let's keep it real here.
you are a partisan that is concerned first about your party not your country.you are only concerned about pointing out flaws you find in the republican ticket but not in your own.
what makes that crystal clear is your smug amusement at the concept of socialism.
socialism is not a joke, it is not harmless, and it has absolutely no place in this country.
i think you need to read [or re-read] the federalist papers and the constitution.
our government exists to serve the people not the other way around.
and that's why i am proudly voting for john mccain.
this country is unique but what you and your candidate are both saying is that we should become just like the socialist countries in europe. that's not working out so well for them,haven't you heard?
and besides....if you want that style of government you can always move there right?
but when america ceases to be america.....you know the only country on the planet where people will risk their lives to escape TO...where are you going to go then?
you know... no one has ever, in the history of the world, RUN TO a socialist country.
gosh...i wonder why that is?
that's your "thinker" for tonight.....

Ahhh...thank you.
I love a good debate too.
And look we both hate talking points.

no such thing as hate speech or hate crimes?
Really? I don't even know how to argue this one. Guess we will have to disagree.

I don't know DU? Educate me, but I have no doubt there are hateful things on DailyKos. But you made my point right here: You said, "then as a person that is so concerned about the rhetoric in the republican camp, surely you must also be very, very concerned about the vile and vicious rhetoric coming out of websites like daily kos and DU, right?" You are comparing the MCCAIN CAMPAIGNS raising issues that stoke hate in the far right to the Daily Kos. It is sad when this is a comparison you are willing to make. Don't you think?
In the same vein you try to say I should be against violence in music, video games, and movies. Really? I mean listen to yourself. You are putting video games and music on the same playing field as Presidential Elections?????
I am sorry, but as a proud American I still consider the process of electing the leader of the greatest and most powerful nation in the history of the world should be held to a higher standard than Snoopdog's raps or Grand Theft Auto.
There should be a focus on the issues that matter not on personal attacks and thinly veiled efforts to pre on fear. I used to think that the right was just doing this because they were losing and had no other options. But you are starting to convince me that the right is just evil.

Heck, not even reading the DailyKos did that.

I would love for you to respond to this, but my next comment is much more serious and I would rather you resond to that one if you only want to resond to one.

But it is your site so you can of course do as you please.

PS I love the eye.

I am begining to think that you do a better job of making my point than I do.

I wrote, "if Obama thinks that the poor is getting shafted for the last decade while the rich have gotten richer (Statistically Factual) and he wants to correct that imbalance most would applaud. The right knows this. So instead of discussing it like adults they scream SOCIALISM SOCIALISM!!!!"

Your response was a rant about how Obama and I want Socialism, how evil Socialism is. My point exactly. How do you type with a pitchfork?

Let me be very clear. I DON'T WANT SOCIALISM. I understand the many vast shortcomings of this ideology in thought and in practice.

Like I argued in my comment last night (which I am really not sure that you read) Obamas tax policies are NOT SOCIALIST. THEY ARE PROGRESSIVE. calling them socialist is like calling Mccains policies Facist. I am not and I never would.

The political spectrum is broad. on the left tip is Socialism and Communism. On the far right is facism and anarchy. (rightnow we are a small bit to the right of the middle)
I do concede that Obamas policies will take this country in a shift to the left on this spectrum. but to say this shift is Socialist is absurd, and you know this. Again if you say this than you can say that Bush is a facist or an anarchist. HE IS NOT!!!!

If you want to have a serious post about the potential problems with a more progressive tax policy I would applaud you (although probably not agree). But when you scream Socialism you appear to be an echochamber of the talking points you hate.

Final thought:
"you are a partisan that is concerned first about your party not your country.you are only concerned about pointing out flaws you find in the republican ticket but not in your own."
First part not true, and I wouldn't pretend to know your motivations. Second, you started all of these conversations with your posts, none of which contained any problems with "your ticket" I would love to share my problems with "my ticket" I can assure there are more than a few.

PROGRESSIVE=SOCIALIST

in this case at least.
and when you said this it really made me laugh:
"In the same vein you try to say I should be against violence in music, video games, and movies. Really? I mean listen to yourself. You are putting video games and music on the same playing field as Presidential Elections?????"
first off...you definitely are a confirmed lefty aren't you? that was meant to mock your ridiculous claim that people simply voicing their differing opinions at a political rally would incite violence.
it was also meant to point out the absence of any logic in most lefty's arguments.
it's this simple....first off, if you are going to claim that if people voicing their opinions at a political rally are heard by other people it will then incite them to violence because as we all know most humans are just ignorant sponges incapable of logic.
well then , it follows does it not, that these same people would be moved to steal cars, rape women, and do all sorts of nasty things thanks to the violent music, movies and games they are exposed to, right?
you just made the far right's argument for them toots...
and i like the discussion with you but please keep it to something less than "war and peace"...that's my shtick......
in other words....love the comments from you but please one or two questions per comment if you want me to answer. i actually do have other things to do.

BEaR KELEY....i thought, you of all people, would be interested in this.
it might incite violence against a woman and vice presidential candidate.
just using your "logic".....

http://frighteningprospect.com/

Ahhh Some more brilliant Far Right Wing Math. Let me add this to the text book.
Iraq=Imminent Threat
Mission=Accomplished
Fiscal Responsibility=Record Deficits
Smaller Government=Huge growth in government
Limited Government=Domestic Spying
Hockey Mom=$150,000 wardrobe
Ok..Lets skip ahead...here we go let's add yours:
Progressive=Socialist
Conservative=Facist
Less-government=Anarchist

And one more time. Yes the site is stupid and pathetic...or as I put it a few comments ago, "both sides have their idiots that support them".

My proplem is not with supporters it is with campaign message ie. Citizenship, "Hussein", Muslim. It is my belief that Presidential Politics should be about issues not encouraging character assasination and hate. Hate Obama for his policies not all that other stupid sh*t.

Using your words, "people voicing their opinions at a political rally". I think it is productive when these opinions are about policies or real issues. But when these "opinions" are about Citizenship, "Hussein", or "Muslim" I believe that the election and this country are worse off.
Afterall, Country First...right???

In the end, I am a lefty when I think the right has lost its way. Look at the math above, none of that is "right". The right has lost me, but I will be back if it finds its path again.

PS sorry about the long post