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They preached that whites should do right, that black culture is superior to white culture, that one shouldn't act white or be an Uncle Tom.

And when people are killed due to such class warfare incitement, they gather around and start sucking up the fame and glory. And they call us warmongers.

Excellent post TFMo....truly excellent.
This is exactly what needs to be said, this is exactly what the "reverends" didn't see coming...that people would tire of calling up down and down up, that PC can only cover up so much crap.
Their class and race warfare have led to the deaths of thousands of young men and women out side of the womb not to mention planned parenthood's handiwork... the race baiters also don't seem to realize that Big Abortion AKA planned parenthood was initiated to get rid of Blacks....or as Margaret Sanger used to call them 'undesirables'. And you just can't get any more racist than to categorize an entire race of people the way she, and her supporters did.
And still do.

Oh I'm sure they are already George W Bush for this.

Just like the Olympics

Just like the staggering death of the economy.

VIVA LA CHANGE & HOPE

Everyone is still tap dancing around the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

Question:
Who is more racist (ok, you are either a racist or not, but play along...), the man who says the "Black Community" behaves in ways (outrageous out of wedlock birth rates, violent crime, drugs, 90-95% Liberal voting, single parent homes, etc...) that are neither good for them nor for society in general, or
the man who says that the "Black Community" has been fooled, tricked, hurt, played, whatever...by evil Liberals, who have "them" voting for, and supporting, the political party most damaging to "them"?

Think about it. Hard.

For one, I don't delete comments unless they are just blatantly asinine. I will, however, delete your two comments about my deleting your comment, just to tidy up.

As for your question, I have thought about it, JS. Quite a bit, actually. HAVE YOU?

In what you have asked, as it pertains to my post, both have occurred and neither are racist. I don't care what color a man's skin is, I am more concerned about the content of his character. Which, unless I am wildly mistaken, is the same thing Rev. King prayed would come to pass.

Change everyone in the story from black to white, and I would have written the exact same thing. No group of people, regardless of skin color, should be treated in such a manner, should be blatantly misled, and I would certainly hope that anyone seeing such injustice taking place, regardless of the hues involved, would speak out against it.

Of course I separate my writing between "us" and "them." It is the black community to which these true injustices are being perpetrated. I am not black. Thus there is a separation. Should I claim that there is not? Were it a group of white men who killed young Derrion, would the reports not be rife with that separation?

How many "white" political activists are there? I mean that are able to get positive media coverage anytime they wish? A black activist is cheered, while a white activist is considered a skin-head (and yes, I fully recognize that most are.) Black community is something to be viewed as a source of pride, while a white community is scorned. Black actors who win awards always speak of their pride in being black, but when do you ever see a white actor voice his pride of being white? Why don't we all tune in to the White Entertainment Television Network during White History Month and see if they answer that question.

In post I spoke against the activities in the black community that are proven detrimental to them and to everyone else. I'm no fan of the glorification of the single mother, nor a welfare system that has sought to displace the necessity of a father in a household, I am no fan of drugs or violence. I am no fan of voting for liberals, whose agenda has been the perpetuation of these societal ills.

I have explained, and there is ample proof to back up my words, that the black community has been duped by liberals for the purposes of garnering their votes and maintaining a level of false moral indignation and collective "white guilt", and yet it has been the liberals who have championed the very causes that keeps the black community from achieving a true equality.

So to answer your snide little question, neither of your instances are racist. It was not posted to denigrate the black community, but rather to point out that they were being misled by people from their own community as well as a certain clique of whites. If you deem that racist, then perhaps you should ask yourself if it's more racist to play gotcha with someone trying to do some good for his fellow human beings, or if it's more racist to act as an apologist for race-baiting douchebag media whores.

Good Lord...

First - I apologized for asking about a post I thought had been deleted. What part of "sorry" do you not get.

Second - My question was not snide. It was a QUESTION.

Third - If you believe that the black community has been duped, you had better be able to explain that. You are saying that, with about 5% excepted, blacks are incapable of seeing past all the BS that Liberals serve up. That they are INCAPABLE. THEY are INCAPABLE. Sorry, but that is racist. An entire population is so stupid, so helpless, that they are incapable of seeing what is going on? That they are capable of being "fooled" or "tricked"? What are they, retarded? Inferior? To you, obviously.

I do not believe that Blacks are inherently incapable of making correct choices; that "they" can all be tricked. You do. You believe that they are so inferior, that they can be manipulated - as one - into doing themselves in. Only a group of children, or idiots, could be fooled, over and over and over....into voting for those who hate them, and wish them nothing but ill, and who will take advantage of them. They vote, and behave the way they do, because THEY CHOOSE TO. Period. They are humans with free will. They do what they want. To suggest anything else is to be truly racist. Congrats.

You are too clever by half. You try, but are bridled by PC gibberish. You want it both ways.

The idea that you interpret my question as implying that your post intended to "denigrate" the black community, tells all. Most of you out there see things that way. It helps you sleep, or something, but it is not correct. nor is it helpful.

Take a stand. You naturally assume that I saw what you wrote as being "racist". You are wrong. I see you as incapable of seeing the 800 pound gorilla. It's right there, but you refuse. You reference Marty King, a communist who favored affirmative action and reparations. Everyone else does too. You really believe that Marty would be unhappy with Hussein Obama and what he is doing to this country? Really?

Save the ad hominem's. This country is coming to an end, and you people still can't see what is going on out there.

First off, I wasn't jumping you about the deletion post. You thought I'd deleted it, then you realized that it was just a glitch. I confirmed that I tend to not delete posts, but was going to remove your two deletion posts as they were unnecessary clutter.

Second, it was most certainly snide. Your question was akin to the old Groucho Marx "Do you still beat your wife?" Following the standard lines of your question would force me to claim that I am either a racist or a racist. And the fact that we are actually having this conversation goes to show that I prefer NOT to delete or ban messages. It's a FREE SPEECH thing, I wouldn't expect a liberal to grasp that concept as it pertains to those who disagree with you.

Thirdly, I can easily back that up on just ONE subject: Abortion. How much attention did the media give to NARAL's endorsement of Obama? Little. How much exposure was given to Margret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood? Zero. Is the average person, regardless of color, aware that she was a eugenicist, that she encouraged mandatory abortions for people of non-Aryan races, and the need to "weed out" blacks? No, they are not. The schools don't discuss it and the media doesn't report it. How many people, again of any race, aware that even though blacks compose only eight percent of the US population, more than 37 percent of abortions are performed on black women? Too damn few. Are people aware that Obama has a 100% rating from NARAL, meaning that, in their estimation, Obama's voting record is in 100% compliance with their agenda? Not if they've been to the NARAL site; they've scrubbed all references to Obama's rating. I only found ONE concrete reference on YouTube, where the President of NARAL made a video announcing the endorsement.

So grab a calculator, chuckles. Obama is in 100% compliance with a group that was founded on the premise of eradicating non-white races. This same group boasts only a DOZEN Democrats in DC that have a 0-rating; most Democrats are in 100% compliance. And these are the same people that the black community has been voting for.

Take your pick; either the black community has been "duped", or they are intentionally voting for the murder of their own unborn children. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, and these are the ONLY logical choices available.

You are saying that, with about 5% excepted, blacks are incapable of seeing past all the BS that Liberals serve up. That they are INCAPABLE. THEY are INCAPABLE. Sorry, but that is racist. An entire population is so stupid, so helpless, that they are incapable of seeing what is going on? That they are capable of being "fooled" or "tricked"? What are they, retarded? Inferior? To you, obviously.

By all means, pick through my posts, ANY post I have EVER made where I say that I think blacks are retarded or inferior. Go for it. I use the same TFMo handle everywhere I blog.

For your information, DOUCHE NOZZLE, anyone...ANYONE...can be deceived. Ignorance is not a racial issue, it's a matter of the dissemination of information. If you know you are being lied to, then it's easy to see that you are being lied to. If you DON'T know you are being lied to, and the lies are not only very convincing, but are also being touted by a large number of people, like the media who is given the public's trust to report FACT instead of OPINION, then it is not so easy to see the lie. You must first discover that you ARE being lied to. That is done either by seeing a discrepancy in the lies (and the media has been VERY diligent about making the lie air-tight) or SOMEONE POINTS IT OUT TO YOU. There is also the FACT that if you are given bad information, you will make decisions based on that information.

Are blacks capable of being deceived? Of course. Any living creature is. Are they capable of KNOWING that they are being deceived? No more, or less, than any other human being. Or are you implying that blacks are NOT capable of being lied to? Are they living lie detectors? No, imbecile, they are not. Neither are whites, hispanics, asians, Islanders, Arabs, Indians, Native Americans, or Eskimos.

Are you a Christian? Then by default you believe that Christ is the only means of salvation. Therefore all other religions are false. Ergo, a large chunk of the planet is being duped. Or are you a Muslim or Jew? Then you think the Christians and the others are being duped? Or are you an atheist? Then most of the planet is being duped.

Or since you claim to be

So let's look at your "argument":

If you believe that the black community has been duped, you had better be able to explain that. Did that. Feel free to check my facts. Or if they aren't being misled, then they are intentionally and knowingly voting in people who seek their destruction.

You are saying that, with about 5% excepted, blacks are incapable of seeing past all the BS that Liberals serve up. Nope. I did not say it or imply it. That's your own little fantasy world. I live in reality. Feel free to join in.

That they are capable of being "fooled" or "tricked"? What are they, retarded? Inferior? To you, obviously. Again, that is YOUR argument. Not mine, nor have I EVER thought such things about any race. I reserve such judgments to individuals, based on their words and deeds, not their skin tone. You , on the other hand, seem to feel that the black race has some magical mutant ability to detect lies, which no other race possesses. THAT, dipstick, is racism.

I do not believe that Blacks are inherently incapable of making correct choices; that "they" can all be tricked. You do. I believe ALL human beings are capable of being tricked. If we were all human lie detectors, there would be no deceit, and most politicians on either side of the aisle would be out of a job. A nice thought, but again you are fantasizing.

They vote, and behave the way they do, because THEY CHOOSE TO. Period. So again, if you are right, then the black community CHOOSES to vote 90-95% of the time to support people who are supported and funded by a group that was created for the purpose of killing non-white unborn babies. So, by your own argument, the black community is not being misled, they're just murderous and suicidal. Nice. I prefer to think better of them and assume that they are being carefully and craftily misled.

They are humans with free will. They do what they want. To suggest anything else is to be truly racist. So again, they are CHOOSING the systematic targeting and destruction of their unborn babies, as per the wishes of a group that is predominantly white? And that's NOT racist? Interesting definition. So if a white person shoots a black baby, that's okay with you? It's just an extra-late term abortion, right? Why not carry it a little further, if a white person kills a black person, that's not racist either. I'm sure the KKK would LOVE for that idea to catch on! Totally destroys the liberal arguments supporting hate crimes legislation! CONGRATS!

You reference Marty King, a communist who favored affirmative action and reparations. Everyone else does too. I referenced ONE PHRASE from Rev. King, that people should be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. You seem to take exception to this statement because of King's failings. So am I to assume that you disagree? That we SHOULD judge people by their skin and NOT their character?

The idea that you interpret my question as implying that your post intended to "denigrate" the black community, tells all. You didn't leave much for interpretation, douche nozzle. You are trying to imply that I didn't make both points in my post. Yes, the black community has been engaging in detrimental behavior, and yes, they have been misled by liberals. As I made both points, you want me to say that one or the other was a racist statement, thereby branding myself a racist. Your first mistake was assuming that I am incapable of READING. Your second mistake was thinking that this kind of nonsense was going to slide. Your third is your insistence that I am a racist, based solely on words that I did not say or imply.

And that's the bottom line, isn't it? Your ENTIRE argument is based on the assumption that I said or imply things that I neither said nor implied. You have ZERO facts to back up anything you are saying. It's all OPINION.

THESE ARE FACTS:

NARAL endorsed Obama and gave him a 100% compliance rating.

NARAL and Planned Parenthood come from Margret Sanger, a self-avowed eugenicist.

Our population consists of approximately 73% whites and 8% blacks, but the percentage of abortions in the US, since 1973 when Roe v Wade came into being, has been 60% whites and 37% blacks, a HUGE disproportion.

You will find more abortion clinics in or near predominantly non-white communities than in white communities.

NARAL and Planned Parenthood contribute heavily to Democrats, and virtually NOTHING to Republicans.

The majority of the media proved they favored Obama in the election, as they tend to support Democrats over Republicans by a huge majority. They continue to support such candidates by refusing to report on anything that would negatively impact their choices until they are given absolutely no other choice, which is usually because the word has gotten out about a story and they would look like fools if they didn't.

The public school systems are run by the US Dept. of Education, which leans heavily to the wishes of the various teacher's unions. These unions contribute a staggeringly huge amount of money to Democrat candidates in comparison to contributions made to Republicans.

The media and the public school systems are where the vast majority of Americans receive their information. In that these two entities are aligned with the Democrats, it is by no means a wild stretch of the imagination to ASSUME (this part is not backed by facts, but rather circumstantial evidence and a view of the results) that they can lie to any group of people and, because we expect to trust them, the lies will be believed. The character assassination of Senator Joseph McCarthy is a prime example. The claims that the KKK originated with the Republicans and that Democrats were largely responsible for freeing the slaves and ending segregation is another. Both are blatant lies that can be disproved by FACT.

Here's another fact: your arguments suck. You have no facts to back up your words, and had to resort to outright lies about what I said, then trot out the handy dandy race card in lieu of an actual argument.

So run back to your liberal buddies, cry big green tears, take a nice long hit off your bong, and try to remember not to come to a gun fight armed with only a rubber chicken.

And I still have to laugh at your claim that I'm "bridled by PC gibberish."

You couldn't identify yourself more as a troll if you had green skin and hung out under bridges, waiting to mug a trio of goats.

If you actually had been to the site more than once, you'd have seen my cartoons. In the time that I have been asked to join this website, I have:

Depicted Van Jones in the throes of ecstasy, crying out "Alinsky!"

Shown Barack Obama bludgeoning Uncle Sam to death with a rock, assisted by ACORN and SEIU thugs.

Shown Obama dressed as a Jedi, trying to use a mind-trick on people.

Gave Ted Kennedy a good jab for killing Mary Jo Kopechne.

Shown Chuckles from LGF as Captain Ahab (got a lot of good coverage for that one!

Criticized the government (BOTH parties) for failing to put up a 9/11 memorial at the WTC site.

Made fun of the so-called ACORN-appointed investigator.

Depicted Michelle Obama as a Cthulhu worshiping cultist/demon, about to sacrifice Van Jones to an evil Elder deity to help get the 2016 Olympics in Chicago.

Suggested using a flame-thrower on Michael Moore to get him to start "smoking."

And you think I'm a PC adherent? Dude, you are either on too much medication or not NEARLY enough.

Liberal buddies? (I hate Liberals. They are ruining this country) Douche nozzle? Imbecile? Dipstick? (Ad Hom's. Ouch. How utterly Alinski) Bong? (I have never touched an illegal drug) Gosh, that wasn't predictable...

I'm a Liberal because I do NOT believe that an entire race is so stupid that it can be "fooled"? For decades?? Because I hold Blacks accountable for their behaviors, and do not give them a "pass" because they are the poor victims of the bad Liberal machine, that be keepin' 'em on da plantation? Weak. At best.

The fact that you see Blacks as incapable of "freeing" themselves from the mighty Liberal grasp, says it all. You say they would never knowingly abort all those babies - why, they're being tricked! So they have never, and will never, come to the conclusion that abortion is wrong? The only logical choice, you say, is Blacks are being duped into killing the unborn, or they choose to? People abort babies because they do not want the responsibility of said babies. It is a conscious choice. People do it all the time - whether they think it is evil or not. No one is "tricked" into it. How are they being "fooled"? "Hey guys, abort your babies! It's fun!"? Duped into it? Good grief. Why they don't want that responsibility, I do not know. I'm sure it's a trick.

Very poor attempt. Silly, really. I hold Blacks fully accountable for their own behaviors, and I'M a Liberal? THAT's why I say you are hopelessly mired in PC. You don't even realize it. As "proof" that you are not, you have...made fun of Obama and Van Jones? OMG! What a risk taker. The rubber fails to meet the road when you give Blacks the pass on their behaviors.

Sorry chum, no Liberal here. Very hardcore Conservative. Want this country back. You?

You site some examples of Black behavior. Great. But you are not capable of holding them responsible for the very behaviors they display. You are clearly not a racist in the KKK, skinhead mold (two groups, BTW, the members of which I feel deserve to have their points and grievances heard and fully taken into account, be given a fair trial, and then be put to death). You do, however, suffer from the bigotry of low expectations. Oh sure they behave in self (and societally) destructive ways, but IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT! We've been dancing the "It's not their fault" waltz for decades now. Not working out too well, is it? So we....keep doing it? Great...

Again, you site some relevant points. But your ad hominem's give you away. You are frustrated, understandably so. Most are. You are stuck in the PC void - you SEE reality, but attempt to explain it away, rather than simply go with what you see. Calling names takes no guts, and does not make your position any less or more than what it is.

You can write whatever you want. Bottom line? I say Blacks are fully responsible for their behaviors, and should be held accountable. You say they are NOT responsible for their own behaviors. I have no idea what would cause 70+% of Black babies to be born out of wedlock. Apparently, Liberals have fooled them into it...

I'm a Liberal because I do NOT believe that an entire race is so stupid that it can be "fooled"? For decades?? No, you're an IDIOT because you seem to think that a large group of people can not possibly be fooled by a massive, concerted effort, encompassing and perpetrated by one of the two major political parties in our country, which holds the reins on both of the primary information sources: the media and the public schools.

The fact that you see Blacks as incapable of "freeing" themselves from the mighty Liberal grasp, says it all. Fact? Don't use big words you don't understand, DOUCHE NOZZLE. You have nothing to support your ASSUMPTION. It is not a fact that I believe anything of the sort. If I did believe, I wouldn't bother trying to warn the black community that they are being deceived, now would I? What would be the logic of such an action? By warning them of the people they are supporting, by default, I demonstrate my CERTAINTY that they are as capable of freeing themselves from their deceivers as anyone else.

You say they would never knowingly abort all those babies - why, they're being tricked! So they have never, and will never, come to the conclusion that abortion is wrong? So let me get this straight...you believe that blacks are perfectly fine with murdering their own babies, that they are not at all concerned that they are being targeted for a slow genocide. Does that seem like something an intelligent person would do? And you still insist that I'm the racist here? Wow.

It is a conscious choice. People do it all the time - whether they think it is evil or not. No one is "tricked" into it. How are they being "fooled"? What is a choice? It is a decision based on the options you perceive are available to you. What options are being presented to the black community? Pretty crappy ones. They are bombarded with images and rhetoric that tells them the "white man" is keeping them down. That they will never get a fair shot at life. That the government will pay for anything they ever need. What sort of decisions can a person make if they are led to believe that all their choices are going to suck? Crappy ones. They will choose the path of least resistance and less effort. "Why not sleep around, gotta have whatever fun I can before it's all taken away." "Why bother taking care of the woman I knocked up or the kid, the government will cover it." "Why bother studying in school, no college wants me and no boss wants to hire me because I'm black." "Why not join a gang, I can't make it by playing by the rules." THESE are the options being given, and these are the choices so many are making. Bad decisions based on bad information.

I hold Blacks fully accountable for their own behaviors, and I'M a Liberal? I believe everyone is accountable for their own actions. But at the same time I also recognize that actions are the result of decisions, decisions stem from options, and the perceived options they are being given are lose/lose. I believe that if you give a man a fish, he eats for a day, and if you teach a man to fish, he never goes hungry. What you are proposing is that no one is allowed to tell him that there are any fish at all, or even a lake, or a fishing pole.

Sorry chum, no Liberal here. Very hardcore Conservative. Want this country back. Nope. Not buying it. Conservatives don't have to invent facts and falsify quotations to make their argument, nor do they have to trot out the race card. That's straight out of the liberal handbook.

You site some examples of Black behavior. Great. But you are not capable of holding them responsible for the very behaviors they display. Now it's just getting tedious. Once again, point out where I said they have no responsibility for their actions. I can wait. I'm an insomniac, I can go alllll night, sparky. Meanwhile I will clarify, and this time I'll try to use smaller words so you can grasp the concept. -The. Black. Community. Has. Been. Misled. By. The. Liberals. -They. Need. To. Wake. Up. And. See. That. -They. Need. To. Take. Control. Of. Their. Own. Lives. And. End. Their. Self-Destructive. Behavior. Before. They. Destroy. Themselves. And. Take. The. Rest. Of. The. Country. With. Them.

Are the blacks responsible for their decisions? Of course. But so are the people that have effectively forced them into those decision by portraying all of their choices as horrible. Are you implying that the people who started this mess NOT be held accountable? You certainly seem to be. That kind of thinking is akin to saying a rape victim "had it coming."

You do, however, suffer from the bigotry of low expectations. Once again you attribute attitudes to me that have no basis in demonstrable fact. I expect no more or less from the black community than I do from any other community, or from any other individual. Any person or group can be misled. How many millions of people were misled by the promises of Communism? Seventy years of Cold War until the USSR collapsed and yet there is STILL Communism in the world, despite the FACT that the only people who benefit from Communism are those in command. How many millions believed that Hitler was right? How many still do? How many people still believe, despite all concrete evidence to the contrary, that Climate Change is not simply a natural occurance, but that it's all Mankind's fault? How many still believe that Joe McCarthy went after actors in Hollywood, causing them to become "blacklisted," even though there is not one shred of evidence to support it? (Psst...McCarthy went after Communists in GOVERNMENT, and the vast majority of those he accused turned out to be, according to the Venona Report, every bit as guilty as he claimed.)

And you still insist that large numbers of people can not be tricked for extended periods of time? I have a very realistic expectation of human nature, that is not sectioned off between skin tones.

You are stuck in the PC void - you SEE reality, but attempt to explain it away, rather than simply go with what you see. I do see reality and I seek to explain it, NOT explain it AWAY. By explaining the cause, we have a greater understanding of the effect. By recognizing the cause, we can hopefully help others to see it. By helping others from seeing it, we can hopefully prevent its continuance. And you think this is a BAD thing? Sorry, I'm not a "live in the moment" kind of guy. I tend to notice things, and I tend to give them thought. When I see people having a problem, I try to help them help themselves. I try to teach people to fish. I point out that the black community is being misled because to believe the alternative, that they seek their own destruction, makes no sense in either human nature or logic. And considering how many liberal lies are plainly documented, if one knows where and has the will to look, yes, there is a very strong factual support for my stance.

Just as there is very clear evidence, based on YOUR OWN WORDS, that you are not an actual conservative. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, true...but that is not where it ends. We also believe that all are created equal, and have the God-given right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We also stand against those rights being oppressed and seek to end such injustices. We believe that criminals SHOULD be punished. We believe that the content of character is far more important than the color of skin. We believe in Freedom.

Your claims tend to run against these beliefs. You seem to espouse the notion that what has happened to the black community in America is ONLY the fault of the black community. By this, you seem to favor letting the people who set up the situation walk free. That is not Conservatism; letting criminals walk is a liberal ideology. You seem to believe that the black community possesses some sort of lie detector, that they, nor any other group of people can be misled for extended periods of time, despite historical evidence to the contrary. Unrealistic expectations of human nature are a liberal ideology. Refusal to face facts and trying to re-invent reality to justify your arguments are liberal ideologies. Ignoring injustice is a liberal ideology.

My assertion that you are a douche nozzle, well, that's just my own pure meanness. I can cut people slack for ignorance, but I do not suffer those who knowingly and willingly cast themselves as fools. Nor do I allow people to bore me for overlong, which you now have. You still offer no facts, you still attempt to put words in my mouth, you still ignore what I have actually said, you have contradicted yourself repeatedly, you have accused me of racism, and you have outright lied. I have shown more tolerance for you than you have deserved. You have a right to Freedom of Speech, and I have a right to ignore you. And as this is my thread on this website, I have the full right to erase every word you have said. I prefer not to, as I do believe in freedom of speech and healthy debate on issues. But this is not a healthy debate, nor do I believe you have come here seeking one. This is a farce and you have now exceeded my tolerance. You have offered nothing new to the conversation, leaving me to endlessly reiterate points I have already made. We're done.

Here is my take on this.....
Slavery never ended.
Oh, it was close to being gone before the "civil rights" era when "leaders" came along, and instead of the black community being allowed to find it's own footing naturally they were told their place; and their place was as members of a flock of lemmings, a voting block and army that could be thrown at opponents, that would take directions from race baiters who became very rich off of using the black community......
If you weren't with them, in other words doing exactly as they told you, you were against them. You were an Uncle Tom. Were you educated? Uncle Tom! Did you have traditional values? Uncle Tom!Did you speak proper English instead of ghetto slang? Big Uncle Tom.
It's sad and pathetic that in this country in 2009 [!] slavery is alive and well and still making people rich at the expense of the people they claim to represent.
And even though the race baiters...Sharpton, Jackson and Obama are 'black' they really aren't the masters. They are the house blacks. The real masters look a great deal like the old ones....white jerks like the Ayers, Rathke, Stern .....and how can we forget the mother of all assh*les, George Soros.
Read Ayers book where he has ,as he puts it basically, 'obligatory to be hip' sex with a [gasp] black woman. How cutting edge, how dangerous,how effing trite for the little rich white kid that liked to hurt people.
And now American blacks are trapped to a certain extent. People do become beaten down, especially when they are being preyed on by their own.
They are, to it it mildly, damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Yes, they are making the choices but how do people learn to make wise choices? From experience for one and thanks to the welfare states[Cloward Piven anyone?] that were created in the 60's the whole culture was perverted and we had generations of people that only knew how to get handouts. And that is slavery.....it's actually worse than slavery because it's being called something innocuous; "civil rights".
But not REAL civil rights....just pretend ones. After all when your rights consist mainly of waiting for your masters to dribble down some food stamps to you...where is the freedom?
So JS, you will not find any racists here....it's just not who we are. But we will, without fear of PC discuss FACTS.
And facts can never be racist,they are just facts.

"Slavery never ended"

You talk about facts, and then include that? If you seriously take that position, you are a big part of the problem. Astonishing. But it does explain your world view. However, being a slave does not compel one to behave in the ways we are discussing.

"American blacks are trapped to a certain extent"

They sure are. By their abject hatred of White America, and their childish expectations of reparations for crimes committed by no one living. They are not slaves in ANY sense. They are free to abort babies, commit violent crime, father out of wedlock babies, do drugs, etc, to their hearts' content. If those things are "not their fault", you have described an pitiful race, indeed.

White America has bent to the breaking point to accommodate and attempt to placate, a group that wants no part of it. Things are getting worse as America does more and more. Our final nail was electing a racist, idiotic, narcissistic, Marxist, as POTUS, so that we and they could feel good. THAT worked out well, huh? Boy, did that reverse all the problems, huh?

"Yes, they are making the choices but how do people learn to make wise choices?"

Come on, Ghost. An entire race can't see that a 70% out of wedlock birthrate is disgusting? And maybe (I'm being veeeery generous here), just maybe, you could fool an entire race into thinking they are still slaves (no clue how one does that) But how do you "fool" them into committing violent crime? Aborting babies? Leaving all those baby-momma's? They are behaving that way because....why? They are slaves and therefore forced to? (slaves do not get to choose) Or they are being tricked into all the hit and run pregnancies, etc? (Al and Jesse say hit it and book?? Really?)

The sad fact is that every behavior talked about here runs against the fabric of this country. They are not being "played".
Rather, they are playing you. The behaviors discussed are the equivalent of giving America the finger. They hate this country. This is the hard part for Liberals, and do-gooders to come to terms with. WE all agree that Liberals hate this country, and want it re-made in some socialistic image. But suggest that blacks, who vote 90+% Liberal, and behave in ways that are wildly at odds with what is good for the country, also hate it? OMG! You racist! It can't be THAT. Of COURSE they love America. They're just misguided (Hey! Just like Obama! He's just misguided and naive, but really loves the country!)

My original question was not snide or an attack. It was a call to try to re-think what we have been told to swallow for decades now. I see that you are stuck on "It's not their fault". So be it. The idiot above seems to think he "won", because he is fighting a "troll" and a Liberal. He cut his teeth over at Ace of Spades, so he thinks that "DOUCHE NOZZLE" wins by default. Pathetic. I made him uncomfy, in his leftist, PC "not their fault" think-speak, so he calls names. Awesome.

Best of luck with the site. No need to reply. We'll agree to disagree.

No, dipstick, I "think" I won because your argument is utter gobbledygook. You come on my thread and say that everything is all the blacks' fault and in the same breath call ME a racist? You think the idea that one should be judged by character rather than color is Communist? You think a large group of people can't be fooled for extended periods of time, despite thousands of years of historical evidence otherwise?

I "think" I won because you offered ZERO facts to back up ANYTHING you said. I "think" I won because you never ONCE refuted any aspect of my argument with an actual fact. I "think" I won because you had to ignore what I wrote and pretend I wrote something else entirely in order to make your case...a case, I might add, that is filled with liberal dogma, racism, and whole-hog ignorance. I "think" I won because you had to trot out the race card, even though NOTHING I offered was remotely racist (yet another liberal debate technique.)

You haven't made me uncomfortable, you idiot. You haven't the skill. At best, you annoyed me. Now you are boring me.

And by the way, I didn't "cut my teeth" at Ace of Spades. Ace's site is hardly the first place I've posted, nor is this the first time I've encountered a DOUCHE NOZZLE that claims he's oh-so Conservative, yet hasn't the first clue what Conservatism is. In fact, I'm pretty sure you and I have had this conversation before, at Polipundit. Several times that person made the same ridiculously conflicting arguments and called everyone a racist too.

You are out of here, DOUCHE NOZZLE.

JS......I am not being snide when I say matter of factly that you seem to hold opposing views that are mutually exclusive of each other.
Before you start calling people "racists"....and oh puleeeze, like that line hasn't been used more than the dog ate my homework....perhaps you should go and look in the mirror.
You are actually a racist. There aren't many of you left, real ones anyway, and I am surprised that you are comfortable expressing such loathsome views.
Let me explain it this way...
You have heard the expression "you can't see the forest for the trees", right? Well, I think that's what's going on with blacks in this country right now. They believed in their 'leaders'...they are not stupid, they just had faith...in the wrong group of people. But those people convinced them, quite well, that the only way to "power" was through them.And it was power that the race baiters sought, not equality, not justice [no matter how many times they throw that word around]and it was power for themselves only they sought. Remember that classic moment when Jesse Jackson was caught on a live mic saying that he wished he could cut off Obama's balls?
Now why did he say that? You would think that if American blacks really had this lock step mentality, that you are suggesting, he would never have said anything of the sort.He would be thrilled to have a black president....but he wasn't and isn't. He's jealous as hell.
And that's what I want to point out to you...in all your ranting about the violence etc. that "blacks commit" have you not noticed that it's the exact same type of violence that every other color commits?
People are people...they all have the same feelings and needs and color doesn't have squat to do with it.
Do you really think that all aborted babies, drug addicts, drug dealers and criminals are only black? Wow that would be a neat trick for a group of people that are only 12% of the population give or take.My God , they would practically have to be shape shifters!
Oh noes.....witches!
I find it terribly sad that someone like you actually has this hatred for people based on their skin color....you can look for the bad in anyone and find it if you want.
You seem to be the type of person that would have put up a sign saying "Irish need not apply".
Haters don't have a set color...it would be swell if they did because then we could all avoid them on sight.
You yourself have proven the ignorance of your own' argument'....with your own words.
Please, rethink what you are thinking and saying. Racism, the real kind, is an ugly thing. It's like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die....

These people are vultures, they will go absolutely anywhere that there are cameras, and do anything to get attention.

At least Jesse Jackson has finally destroyed himself.